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Published Date: 23 April 2009
DRUG-dealers should be banned from pubs to alienate them from their local communities, Scotland's rank-and-file police officers demanded yesterday.
Scottish Police Federation members backed a motion to deprive criminals of their "gang hut premises" and force licence holders to exclude them.

Officers voted in favour of new legislation that would make it an offence for proprietors to allow conv
icted drug dealers in their pubs.

Sergeant Colin Johnston of Strathclyde Police told the annual conference in Peebles it was time to create new Asbo-style banning orders for people convicted of supplying drugs.

He pointed out that Section 80 of the Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976 had created the offence for licence holders to allow persons of bad character to frequent licensed premises.

But the legislation was under-used in police operations and was eventually repealed and not replaced.

However, Sergeant Johnston believes convicted drug dealers should be alienated in their communities and an amendment should be made to the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005 to make licensees more accountable on who they serve.

He said: "These are licensed premises; it is not a free-for-all, so the licensees are responsible.

"It is time to regain control of our pubs and totally exclude those who have been convicted of drug-dealing.

"We should deprive criminals of their gang hut premises.

"It would take away their standing in society by removing them from pubs."

He was backed by Sergeant Frank Carroll of Strathclyde Police who said: "It is time for licensees to take full responsibility for their premises and exclude these people.

"What is the point in removing them from houses if they can still go about freely in licensed premises?

"They should be excluded from all aspects of public life."

Members representing Scotland's 16,000 police officers voted 73.74 per cent in favour of the motion.

It called for the federation to take up the matter with justice secretary Kenny McAskill to secure an amendment to the current legislation "seeking to exclude from licensed premises persons of bad character, namely those convicted of offences concerning the supply of convicted drugs".

A Scottish Government spokeswoman last night said new legislation in September will allow for a review of a premises licence on the grounds that not enough is being done to prevent crime and disorder.

"We are confident that the powers available to the police in the Act, combined with the new powers we are introducing in the Criminal Justice and Licensing Bill, will give the police and licensing boards the right tools to tackle crime and disorder in respect of licensed premises and shut premises."

Meanwhile, police also backed a motion calling for officers to be routinely equipped with Tasers when confronting criminals in possession of knives and other weapons.



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1

blackops,

23/04/2009 05:31:09
So they cant catch the drug dealers but instead will try to prosecute landlords who let them into their premises?
typical, always chase the soft targets.
2

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 23/04/2009 07:49:26
did he think this one up whilst dunking rich teas,to quote
He pointed out that Section 80 of the Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976 had created the offence for licence holders to allow persons of bad character to frequent licensed premises.
yes that meant you could throw out those who you knew were ex cons,if thye were meeting other ex cons in the pub
as we all saw it never worked,and was eventually repealed
so like #1 said landlords ,the easier of the targets ,were to be dealt with
so does that mean every publican would have a police mug shot book to identify the bad boys?,hmmm human rights mob will have a field day,pc loons squeeling worse than a labour mp whos cash expenses has beeen denied
3

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 23/04/2009 08:20:27
If they know who the drug dealers are - why don't they simply arrest them? Or is that too simple for Sergeant Johnston. That's what you actually get PAID by the taxpayer to do. Why should a pub landlord be doing the job that you seem unable or unwilling to do?
4

carrottop,

Dumfries 23/04/2009 09:40:21

They are probably the only ones who can afford to be there after yet another round of tax increases, why not just arrest everyone who enters a pub?
5

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23/04/2009 09:43:58
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6

Dancer,

Edinburgh 23/04/2009 10:04:40
What if the Landlord is involved in drug dealing? He is not likely to allow anyone else to be dealing in his place. So does that mean that a pub with no dealers is only so because the Landlord is dealing. What a stupid idea from a bunch of over paid and under worked officers. I just do not see many Landlords deciding to grass dealers as they would receive no protection from the police after the trial.
7

Mcsnagpile,

23/04/2009 10:11:38
It is true that Publicans are drug peddlers selling the offending drug alcohol--guilty for so many pains in life.
8

Lianachan,

Highlands 23/04/2009 11:15:05
Well now. I'm not one of them fancy big city lawyers, but I reckon the police should be arresting drug dealers, not trying to get them barred from pubs?
9

skye surfer yes its me,

Skye 23/04/2009 11:22:02
I find this so hard to believe. The more you seek to drive this kind of operation underground the less successful you will be at identifying the offenders. Why do the Police constantly underestimate the ability of the people they are dealing with ? It seems to be another ill thought out and knee jerk reaction to a situation which really the Police shouldn't be involved in. It being a Health issue,both in the physical and mental sense.
10

uno.who,

Livingston 23/04/2009 11:49:02
#9 Aye ... and maybe they should dispense methadaone from 35ml optics in the pubs ? Get real.

PS If any of you apologists for drug dealers could actually read you'd realise that the cop was referring to "those who have been convicted of drug-dealing", not those SUSPECTED. I'd be more than happy for all convicted drug-dealers being banned from licensed premises. We all know that's where most people get their fixes ... not up some back alley as depicted on tv.
11

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 23/04/2009 12:17:55
What a STUPID idea. Where will it stop ? What about convicted burglars, drunk drivers, shoplifters, etc. ? Should they also be banned for being "persons of bad character" ?
I'm not defending drug dealers in any way or form here but this idea is ludicrous ! IF a drug dealer has been caught and convicted then surely if the Prison System has been doing it's job correctly then these folk would come out of prison totally rehabilitated ? Does everyone coming out of prison automatically revert to a life of crime and therefore facing automatic bans from their local hostelries ? LUDICROUS !!
I'm also fairly certain that there are lawyers who are well versed in the "Human Rights Act" who are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of making a fortune in legal aid defending anyone who was banned under these circumstances.
12

Archie, Gourock,

23/04/2009 12:35:50
How about the police and councils stop turning a blind eye to Drug Dealers OWNING licensed premises?

If the police did what they were actually paid to do, this would be a non-issue. To further inflame matters, they repeatedly fail to make recommendations to licensing boards regarding the true subversive ownership of premises despite being in full knowledge of same.

This method of disguised-ownership is actually nurtured through the current licensing board system, making it the easiest system on the planet to legally launder money and subvert the law. A "landlord" is a job - plain and simple. It carries no legal weight whatsoever.

Subject OWNERS to rigorous scrutiny NOT landlords! Believe it or not - we don't! There is nothing to stop a drug dealer buying a pub - zero. He simply cannot hold the licence.

The law is already clear on serving known criminals - not just drug dealers. This non-story; a non-complaint serving merely to muddy, not to resolve.

Scottish licensing is in the dark ages - despite the Nicholson report (which was totally ignored a la Jamieson)

Currently, when one licensee screws up, another is waiting in the wings... ad infinitum. There's only one owner therefore scrutinising owners to the nth degree; making them more accountable, should lead to a rapid improvement in lawfulness within licensed premises in Scotland.

Tam "the licensee" McGraw wasn't named such because he worked at Martha Street for many a year wedding starry-eyed Glaswegian lovers. Go figure!

I'd say 20-25% of West Coast public houses are owned by criminals. "Licensing boards would never allow that" I hear you say... Open your eyes. You know, I know, the police know - surely the licensing board knows? Answers on a postcard to... Kenny McAskill, Junket house, Edinburgh.
13

uno.who,

Livingston 23/04/2009 12:48:49
#11 Angus - you're missing the point are you not (as is #9)? Drug adiction is a medical condition, but DRUG DEALING never is or was. People can be rehabillitated and ex cons don't generally ply their previous trade in licensed premises. Drug Dealing is the exception - it's evil, easy money and drug dealers never change. The only effective cure used to be applied in Northern Ireland - it was called "knee-capping" although I'd prefer the police suggestion to that!

#12 Archie - you are absolutely right, and it's exactly the same in the east.
14

Lianachan,

Highlands 23/04/2009 13:01:20
#12 That'll be the central belt version of the "West Coast" I guess? To me, the west coast goes as far as Cape Wrath, and can't be used as a euphemism for (usually) Glasgow/Strathclyde and your neck of the woods.
15

Hugh Roscombe,

23/04/2009 14:24:46
Great. Drug dealers banned from pubs along with smokers.
16

Paesano,

23/04/2009 15:19:33
A plan that would make Clouseau swell with pride! The ban from their local pub will render these menaces to society powerless....
17

Paesano,

23/04/2009 15:23:07
Every now and again you stumble across an article of such profound deep thought-provoking magnitude it turns your world upside down. This is not such an article.
18

uno.who,

Livingston 23/04/2009 16:07:25
#17 It's either a low-news or no-news day.

I'm surprised they didn't pad the paper out with a few more Susan Boyle stories (but the lass doesn't have enough closetal skeletons to keep them going!)
19

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 23/04/2009 16:37:29
If these so-called police officers know who the drug dealers are yet have not arrested them, they should be suspended immediately. Far too many police officers, famously in Dundee and Perth but presumably elsewhere too, are deep in the pockets of their local drug barons. They are paid by society to get these people off the streets and not to supplement their pension arrangements or feed their own illegal habits.

It is high time there was a mandatory minimum sentence for policemen on the take and they should additionally be charged as accessories to the crimes of those that they shield from the law.

The police do not have an easy job and, generally, have my utmost support but they are severely undermined by their crooked and corrupt colleagues.
20

uno.who,

Livingston 23/04/2009 20:39:28
#19 .... and they should be barred from the pub too
:-)
21

Observer,,

Glasgow 23/04/2009 20:51:37
The cops are having a laugh. Who gives out the licenses ? Tam McGraw was not called ''the licensee'' for nothing was he. There are already adequate controls for removing persons of bad character or removing licenses. They don't get used. There is no need to bring in any further measures which assumes continuing guilt after the sentence has been finished (which would be ruled illegal in any case). Use the controls that are already there. If you can.

 

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