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Published Date: 29 April 2009
A 6000-CAPACITY indoor concert arena should be built in Edinburgh, according to a long-awaited review of the city's cultural venues.
The proposed £30 million venue is seen as a way to help the Capital compete with Scotland's other major touring venues, such as the SECC in Glasgow.

The city's Waterfront is the most likely location for the new venue, according to the report, whic
h casts doubt on plans for a 10,000-seat indoor stadium at Ingliston. Concert promoters have shown little appetite for a venue that size, the study says.

The city council and Scottish Enterprise Edinburgh and Lothian funded the £120,000 study, which was published today.

The report also backs plans to create a new comedy venue in the city, as well as the long-mooted new home for the Edinburgh International Film Festival.

But other high-profile projects – such as plans to refurbish the crumbling Ross Bandstand and revive the former Leith Theatre – are expected to be shelved.

The Scottish Government and Scottish Enterprise will be asked to help pay for the new concert arena, with the study also recommending that council chiefs investigate "potential partnership opportunities with the private sector" to get the medium-scale venue project started.

The council has ordered a feasibility study be drawn up on the practicalities of making the concert venue a reality.

Councillor Deidre Brock, the city's culture leader, said: "This ground-breaking study gives us an unprecedented view of how we and our partners can shape the future of cultural venue provision in the Capital.

"As one might expect in Edinburgh, home to the world's greatest arts festival, there is enormous cultural demand. We and our partners must now ensure that we continue to cater to this demand and, crucially, stay ahead of the competition."

As the Evening News revealed in February, more than £200m is needed to bring Edinburgh's arts and cultural venues up to a "world-class" standard.

The council-led review was sparked by the 2007 Thundering Hooves report which warned Edinburgh was likely to fall behind other cities if there was not greater investment in the Capital's venues and festivals.

The study has backed a long-awaited £10m refurbishment of the Queen's Hall concert venue as well as the £20m revamp of the King's Theatre.

More than 100 different individuals and dozens of organisations were interviewed over the last 18 months for the study, which looked at more than 70 performing arts venues across the city with a capacity of more than 200.

The city council's corporate services director Jim Inch said: "In the medium-longer term, it is clear that a financial strategy will need to be developed by the council in concert with a range of partners and stakeholders, to take account of the very large sums the study recommends should be invested in the city's cultural infrastructure."





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  • Last Updated: 29 April 2009 11:08 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Indie Music
 
1

eric,

29/04/2009 12:00:39
Glasgows worst venue is the secc,they have moved on nearly 30yrs since with armadillo ,Carling academy which is served by Subway and trains,not to mention Scotland best venue ,The barrowlands,The ideas there!
2

Glenda,

blah 29/04/2009 12:20:02
Words fail me. How the hell does it cost £10,000,000 (yes TEN MILLION) to refurbish Queen's Hall?
3

Tartan Viking,

29/04/2009 12:27:13
#2. The Glasgow Concert Hall is not bad either.
4

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 29/04/2009 12:32:30
Embra will always be at the coos tale in Kultchur.
5

elayne,

29/04/2009 12:32:57
edinburgh definatly needs something!its a pain in the e*se having to travel through to glasgow for gigs
6

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 12:38:47
yes we have been needing this for years,the playhouse is ok,but fitting in bands,when all it seems to go for is musicals,then we need it yesterday
rock fans in edinburgh have to go to glasgow,to see the bigger attractions, playhouse suits coffin dodgers and families with its ,mind numbing pap
so whats the bet if built,it will be opera and ballet most of the times
as murrayfield is ok in warm weather,try standing in it ,when a cold easterly blows in feb
7

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/04/2009 12:43:55
"Britain's Got Talent" star Susan Boyle said she would consider giving a concert in a 6,000-seat venue in Edinburgh. That should be reason enough to build it!
8

Bored,

29/04/2009 13:01:10
#3 Glenda

The same way it cost only £120,000 to carry out the study.
9

Tuco,

29/04/2009 13:04:20
It has taken till now to decide that Edinburgh needs a 6000 seat venue. This city is so backward at times.
10

Catlover18,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:08:55
We need something. I hate the SECC so hard to get to. Its like going to a concert in a shed.
11

Leila,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:16:45
Edinburgh is long overdue for a decent indoor venue like this, and not just to keep ahead of the competition! (I do get sick of this silly artificial Edinburgh/Glasgow rivalry as manufactured by the EN).
12

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/04/2009 13:17:07
Concerts in sheds are great. So intimate. I've attended loads of them.
13

Bob Wilson,

Anchor Man 29/04/2009 13:17:13
Another pathetic attempt to drum up interest in the barren wasteland that is the leith waterfront.

How do the council think leith docks could cope with 6,000 people ascending on its doorstep, which more than likely would consist largely of people from outwith edinburgh, which means they will be in their own transport?

Witness the state the city centre gets in when the tattoo is in full flow with the amount of space coaches require?

Ingliston makes far more sense - being at the hub of the M8 and M9 motorways.

Leith docks is and always will be a dead duck.




14

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/04/2009 13:17:19
Shed-loads, in fact.
15

Linmal,

Livingston 29/04/2009 13:23:02
I agree that Edinburgh does need a decent concert venue. I enjoy going to various gigs and though I am not put off by going to Glasgow, it would be a lot better if I could see them in Edinburgh. I work in Edinburgh and it would mean that I wouldn't have to get off work early to travel through to Glasgow and also it would be a lot easier to get home afterwards. I am sure that is the case for many people. However, I, too am of the opinion that the Leith Waterfront is not the place for such a venue. Somewhere just off the by-pass would be far the best idea in order to be able to get in and out easily.

But for goodness sake - don't you get it? How else can they justify the trams going down to Ocean Terminal! Build a concert venue and get the tram to take you there! Sorted!
16

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

29/04/2009 13:23:52
Meadowbank.
17

Eliz,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:24:05
Never mind 6000 seat venues, Edinburgh needs firstly a Council that has a brain and secondly a complete refurbishment to make up for decades of neglect.
18

elayne,

29/04/2009 13:24:58
#8 aye the playhouse aint what it used to be!
the secc is pretty gash too,but due to lack of decent facilities we have to go to glasgow to see bands,and the drive home is a pain!
19

Battle1,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:34:58
I'm sure if it ever gets the go ahead, regardless of where it is, the usual crowd will be on complaining about the size, the design, it's location, etc.

Edinburgh, terrified of change.
20

elayne,

29/04/2009 13:59:39
#18,good idea!never thought of that,its central,easy to get to etc(saw simple minds at meadowbank in 1989,they were p*sh!)
21

GMc,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 14:00:41
It's about bloody time!
Although 6'000 is still quite small for todays big bands, unless they do 2 nights. They'll still go to the SECC were they could play to 10'000 on 1 night (rubbish sound though!).
22

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

29/04/2009 14:03:31
23

The only bands i can think of with 6000 members are bad manners and the specials.
23

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

29/04/2009 14:05:09
Anyway - Edinburgh is "not generally on the circuit".

Scotland has one large city and for truly big bands one date in scotland will be enough. Thats the way it is folks and lets face it radiohead wont be back when they found out what a bunch of drunken tubes you really were.
24

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 29/04/2009 14:16:24
They've got to be kidding. A 6,000 seater is a total waste of money. Strictly Junior A on this side of the pond.
In fact anything under 15,000 is a joke for a city like Edinburgh. Especially if the object is to attract top acts or a major sports tenant.
Time for Wee Eck to think big.
25

Pritt Stick Boy,

29/04/2009 14:33:49
I bought a tuna salad from M&S for my lunch but was to full to eat it, so I've put it in the fridge for tomorrow's lunch. Crazy or what??
26

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/04/2009 14:34:11
I went to a concert once. It was good.
27

Pritt Stick Boy,

29/04/2009 14:51:03
I think i've been a woman more than i've been a man. Don't ask me why - i've jsut got this nagging doubt that tells me something just isn't right.
28

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

29/04/2009 15:30:15
I guess Murrayfield, meadowbank, castle esplanade, usher hall , playhouse , easter road and tynecastle arent enough.

ffs - etc.
29

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29/04/2009 16:14:08
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30

calum,

29/04/2009 16:47:28
No developers left to invest in the Waterfront developments so let the public pay for the tram by providing a concert venue!! Geeeeee.....!!!!
Ingliston is the sensible choice, if at all.
31

Cod,

29/04/2009 16:49:41
Edinburgh people prefer to eat Wagon Wheels and tut-tut at the trams. It gets the venues it deserves.

Ingliston? What a hole. Polo.
32

Cod,

29/04/2009 16:50:00
Suck a Fisherman's Viscount.
33

Logie Almond,

29/04/2009 16:50:14
Why on earth should council or national taxpayers fund this project? If promoters, arts organisations, etc, want it they should fund it themselves.
Personally I think it would be empty most of the year. Look at the Festival Theatre - "dark" for large chunks of the year, even ironically for days at a time during the Festival.
34

Cod,

29/04/2009 16:50:18
With theez venues you are spoiling us.
35

Cod,

29/04/2009 16:51:35
The Festival Theatre would make a great brothel. I know as I've operated a part time one out of it for years. Quick poke at The City restuarant after too.
36

Independent Mind,

Buckie, Glasgow, Oxford 29/04/2009 18:29:31
Edinburgh is simply not a music hub in the same way that Glasgow is. It has no need for a big venue as no big bands will actually go there to play when it's only 45 mins away from Glasgow. There may be the odd occasion when oldie acts like Rod Stewart play at the castle or Murrayfield which might be nice to be indoors but thats it.

Bands don't play multiple gigs in London - a city with roughly the same population as Scotland and easily the same commute time from end to end as from Glasgow to Edinburgh.

To sum up. Rather than spend 120 000 you could have just asked anyone who knows the music scene in Scotland. The whole project is pointless.

No bands that can consistently pull in a crowd of 6000 will play in both Edinburgh and Glasgow, if you give them the choice they will take Glasgow every time. It has the music scene, the music history and the public transport links.
37

tomias,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 19:12:26
No
38

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 30/04/2009 00:23:53
First: Put the tram underground from Haymarket, have a station where the Princes Mall is with a branch going undergound until past the London Road roundabout with another going around the Calton Hill before heading for Abbeyhill and Leith that way, with another branch going South via St Leonards.
Second: rebuild the Waverley with 14 through platforms and 2 extra eastbound tracks and get more suburban services and have a modern concourse at Waverley Bridge level with lifts, stairs and escalators to the platforms.
Third: Build the venue over the station platforms West of the Waverley bridge. Make it architecturally iconic but dignified and not a blot on the landscape. Then you can get the crowds in and out easily by train, tram and by extension the plane.
Fourth: Problem solved. My fee 2 million pounds paid to my account electronically. Thanks.
39

bluehead,

edinburgh 30/04/2009 02:07:12
as if there has not been enough trouble with the trams
along comes another crazy scheme
at a time when there is supposed to be great shortage of money you would think that there was a brain in Edinburgh that was still in working order
this whole city seems to have went insane
what a shame for poor auld Edinburgh it seems to have been kicked senseless!!!!
40

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 30/04/2009 03:24:44
#15
Liverpool did the same with the "Echo Arena" on the old docks.

 

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