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Published Date: 13 March 2008
AT THE Battle of Culloden the 5,000-strong Jacobite army was heavily outnumbered by the government side, which had 9,000 troops.
Yet efforts to find descendants of those who fought in the clash have found plenty of volunteers lining up behind Bonnie Prince Charlie and few with Hanoverian connections.

In January, the National Trust for Scotland, the guardian of the battlefi
eld, launched a global search for young people whose forefathers fought at Culloden.

The trust wants to encourage youngsters to research their family trees to find out if any are related to the soldiers who fought for Prince Charles Edward Stuart, or the government troops, led by the Duke of Cumberland.

The aim is to find two direct descendants to help officially open a new £9.4 million visitor centre at Culloden on 16 April.

Yesterday the trust said its search had so far uncovered several families with Jacobite connections but none with links to the government troops.

More than a dozen youngsters from Canada to Northern Ireland have sent in their family trees, revealing that families of Jacobite troops were scattered far and wide after the battle.

Alexander Bennett, the trust's Culloden project co-ordinator, said: "We always suspected that we'd receive more entries from descendants of the Jacobite troops but we'd also love to hear from people whose family fought on the government side.

"The myth that the battle was a conflict between England and Scotland is still alive today. We know, however, that many Scots fought with the government troops. Some families had members who fought on opposing sides, often against their will.

"The new centre tells the story of Culloden from the perspective of both sides of the conflict and it would be very symbolic to have representatives from both sides help us to officially open the new centre on 16 April."

The closing date for entries to the search is 19 March.

Anyone of school age who would like to take part in the competition should send their family tree by e-mail to the trust at cullodenlegacy@nts.org.uk or by post.

These will be scrutinised by judges, including Dr Nick Barratt of the TV genealogy series Who Do You Think You Are?





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  • Last Updated: 12 March 2008 10:22 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

CROSSED GEORGE,

ENGLAND 13/03/2008 00:58:58
Is this another attempt by the paper to provoke anti English comments?
2

Booster,

13/03/2008 01:17:27
Is this another attempt by CROSSED GEORGE,ENGLAND to provoke anti English comments?
3

Navvy,

13/03/2008 04:07:47
#3 just so lah!

The quest should not be difficult the regimental histories should help

4

Guga II,

Rockall 13/03/2008 05:46:17
#3 Druginhead.

Funny old world indeed. Do you think the descendants of the Tibetan people who have been murdered, tortured and imprisoned by your precious Chinese government will ever get over it, and want to celebrate with the descendants of the PLA?

You still haven't explained to me just what is going on here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350794/posts

As you seem to be in a "favoured" position with your government buddies, maybe you should also check out the following:

http://www.phayul.com/
5

madrab,

edinburgh 13/03/2008 07:28:24
#5 Can you explain the current genocide being commited in Iraq?

Why did your country invade Iraq?

How many people are you willing to kill to get a cheap oil supply?
6

donald,

glasgow 13/03/2008 08:38:39
Anyone descended from Culloden winners?
(Yes. The Brit Labour Party)

Would Ireland host Black and Tan descendants?
Then they do not have a gombeen National Distrust.
7

Guga II,

Rockall 13/03/2008 09:21:01
#6 madrab. I think you have the wrong thread. My country (Scotland) didn't invade Iraq; nor did I mention Iraq, nor the war crimes committed against it by Bush, Bliar, Broon and the rest of that scum.
8

Jardine,

13/03/2008 10:11:07
Doesn't Betty Saxe-Coburg Gotha (sorry, Windsor) have blood links to Butcher Cumberland?
9

Camrin,

West Lothian 13/03/2008 10:12:34
Anyone else want to join in with any other conflict?

This is an article about an attempt at historical clarity and reconcillation. Something you idiots could do well to understand.
10

bill-alba,

fife 13/03/2008 10:51:31
#12 its an attempt at revision of history...yes I agree there were Scots on the Westminster government side and they were traitors...just as we have traitors in Westminster now..
11

DaveK,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 12:24:36
#13 you are quick to forget the Holyrood traitors we have! In the good old days, a person who tried to bring down the country was executed as a traitor, but I guess with all that good living and those ministerial cars, the rope would snap under the Salmonds weight rather than his neck!
Why don't they dress some locals up in costumes, seriously, would anyone really care that much if there was a blood line?
12

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 13/03/2008 12:45:41
#11

Yes, Her Britannic Majesty has links with that disgraceful butcher but like any family the Mountbatten-Windsors have their black sheep just as Mary Stuart was a nymphomaniac and married to a homosexual Lord Darnley.

I believe Mary was French-Scots and made a treasonous muddle of everything. She was also Catholic and that may explain her murderous ways.
13

Deamhain,

Aiberdeenshire 13/03/2008 13:14:02
#12

Bill..utter twaddle. Traitors to whom? Charles did not want a Scottish crown, nor did he desire victory over the English on behalf of Scotland. He wanted the crown of Britain. Had his landing in Britain gone according to plan he wouldn't have had to rely on the Scottish Jacobites the way he did. If there was a traitor to the Scottish people in all of that sorry episode it was the one who arrived by sea and left that way. The persecutions of the clans after Culloden were unforgivable but that's another part of the argument.
14

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 13/03/2008 14:36:52
Guga ..... yet again as much as you and I disagree on many things I hope you post that link every time Dragonhead appears,
15

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 13/03/2008 14:44:06
# 16 exactly correct I have been saying for years yon italian born in Rome called Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Silvester Severino Maria Stuart was a pretender in many ways, but not as "history" portrays him
16

Reckless,

Sinister New World Order 13/03/2008 16:29:39
And you still say that there is no homosexual agenda?

Dutch to legalise gay sex in public park
By Bruno Waterfield
Last Updated: 2:28pm GMT 13/03/2008
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17

Resolutions,

13/03/2008 16:35:03
It would seem that very few are going to admit that their pre-decessors were 'out' on the Hanovarian side. I suspect that the reason for this may be shame at what happened as a RESULT of that battle - Scots scattered far and wide around the globe in what can only be described as an early form of 'racial cleansing'. This was not only in the immediate aftermath of the Rising, but the repercussions were felt a century later still, and possibly even today.
As for me, although I have Highland and Island ancestors, I have not so far been able to establish if any were involved. I suspect not as they were of Viking extraction mostly, although one great great great( is ther another great?) grannie appears to have been 'moved' to the coastal settlements, but cannot yet establish from where. I suspect 'cleared'.

Yet another example of our history resonnating through the years?
18

Acoreano,

Portugal 13/03/2008 20:40:28
#20

Could you explain to me exactly how it is that your ancestors remained neutral in 1745/6 because their ancestors were Vikings - were they still being conscientious objectors atoning for their blood thirsty deeds 8-900 years before?

Honestly, a lot of rubbish is spouted about Culloden. Let's not forget it was the British army defeating a foreign backed attempt to overthrow the government of this country. You might as well glamourise the Nazis and the IRA as the Jacobites!
19

The Canadian,

13/03/2008 20:43:42
Many of my ancestors suffered after the Battle of Culloden and the Clearances which followed. A lot of people left the Old Country to find a better and more secure life in the United States and Canada where they could practise their religion and use their language and culture without harm.
Ship-loads left with hundreds of Highlanders on board crossing the death canal where so many died before they reached their destination.

Highlanders settled into their communities very quickly as they mostly came from the same districts and stayed together and for this we are most grateful.

Some Highland communities have broken up but the majority in the rural areas are still to be found both in various Canadian Provinces and States in the USA.
It is hoped that one day the Highlands and Islands of Scotland will be able to get over the traumatic events of the last 250 plus years.

20

The Canadian,

13/03/2008 21:05:01
I have just heard today on the Gaelic News on Radio nan Gaidheal which I get on my computer that two councillors/officials in Scotland have been suspended for voting against Gaelic roadsigns in the Highlands. Is this really true?

Maybe they should come over to Cape Breton and Mainland Nova Scotia to see our Gaelic roadsigns which we are delighted to have.

At the same time visitors can visit our Whisky Distillery as well and drink our Gaelic Whisky.

Slainte Mhath.
21

Acoreano,

Portugal 13/03/2008 21:15:11
#23

I've not heard that any Highland Councillors were suspended for voting against Gaelic roadsigns but some did so vote against having them in Caithness where Gaelic is not and has never been spoken.

If they have been suspended from the Council for that perfectly sensible stance, then that is political correctness fascism run riot.

What does Gaelic whisky taste like? Is it any different from ordinary Scotch. How many people speak Gaelic in Canada - more than in Scotland, I bet.
22

Janis *,

london 13/03/2008 21:18:10

The Canadian @ 22

Re your last sentence............250 plus years is nowhere near enough, nobody, but nobody can keep a grudge going like the Scots.

It was in 2004 that a Scottish local (Fife I think) Councillor was banned from a Pub for abusing a couple of Englishmen. His excuse was he hated the English because of Culloden......Sheeez.
23

Acoreano,

Portugal 13/03/2008 21:32:56
#25 Janis

"Sheeez" is not nearly a strong enough word for that sort of thing.

I am Scottish though now living in Portugal
24

The Canadian,

13/03/2008 22:00:04
24
Whisky is an Angliscised Gaelic word but it seems you are unaware of this fact. How come if you are Scottish?

While reading through the information on this website I found out that there were 15,000 monoglot Gaelic speakers recorded on your Government Census in the 1750's. If this is wrong then blame your own government. Over 70% of placenames in Caithness I am told are Gaelic.
25

Janis *,

london 13/03/2008 22:05:45

Acoreano @ 26. I thought it funny really, especially as the guy was a local Councillor, (a good & worthy citizen etc.?? )
26

The Canadian,

13/03/2008 22:11:54
Over the past 3 weeks I have taken a keen interest in a number of sites in Scotland and am surprised at how extremely anti-Gaelic language and culture many happen to be.
This was not the impression I ever had regarding Scotland and I am certain many of my friends, acquaitances, family, neighbours and members of the various Scottish and Clan societies I belong have at the moment.
It has been a very surprising and painful experience to accept.
27

Acoreano,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 19:57:02
@27 & 29, The Canadian

I am very well aware that whisky is an anglicisation of uisge bheatha, thank you very much.

What a lot of people forget is that there are large areas of Scotland - Edinburgh, the capital, being one of them - where Gaelic has NEVER been spoken. To try to claim that Gaelic is somehow the lost, ancient language of Scotland is nonsense and betrays a lack of understanding of Scottish history.

Can you give me a single name in Caithness?
28

E. Smith,

Texas 05/04/2008 15:19:55
My nephew entered the contest since my maternal grandmother's family can prove descent from a John Macquarrie who was transported to the American colonies after Culloden. On my maternal grandfather's side, I've also established a link to a Christian MacLachlan who was killed fighting for Bonnie Prince Charlie, although the MacLachlans and Hendersons didn't leave Scotland until the 1790s, which might account for the family superstition that sheep are bad luck.

I can't establish any certain links to Culloden on my dad's side of the family, although my maternal's grandmother's ancestors, the McDonalds and Duncans, came from Moore County (the Cape Fear), North Carolina.

Sorry, no supporters of the English Crown here. Indeed, I can't even establish a link for the Daughters of the American Revolution. The more I research, the more I've discovered that my ancestors were Loyalists during the American War for Independence.
29

Wayne,

Calabash 07/04/2008 17:39:54
#6 Madrab and #9 Gugall,The genocide you speak of was going on long before the invasion of Iraq.Nothing but good is going on over there and 90% of the population are happy to have the allies there.I would not expect left wing idiots to understand,so if you want to convert to Islam or you already are thats your business,but I am christian and I will not have some rag headed numbskull tell me whom I will worship!

 

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