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Bigger buzz in stands than pitch as sides serve up reminder why this fixture should stay a rarity



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Published Date: 21 August 2008
SCOTLAND and Northern Ireland last night reminded everyone why meetings between the countries should be kept to a minimum, although there was an undeniably enjoyable edge often lacking from such grandly titled "international challenge matches".
It might be stretching it a bit to say this was an eagerly awaited fixture, but there was a degree of anticipation in the air. Indeed, there was a case to be made for this being described as a slightly more low-rent clash of Auld Enemies. The Union f
lag fluttered in the away end at Hampden during a Scotland game for the first time since England last visited, back in 1999. God Save The Queen also got a rare Hampden airing.

Rule Britannia has been heard slightly more regularly, though normally when the Rangers End is exactly that, which most recently was the case at the Scottish Cup final. The ditty was given another airing last night, and it seemed a point was being made. A presumably sarcastic banner name-checked the Rangers chairman. "Thank you Sir David – our culture is not a crime," it said. Even friendly meetings can be complicated affairs. No wonder the powers-that-be in both countries have been content to look further afield for opponents. Last night also brought another vivid reminder why Scotland and Northern Ireland have resisted playing each other in recent times. They are simply too similar, and thus are of limited learning value to each other.

The crowd of just over 28,000, while half of the Hampden capacity, was still more than the 13,000 who watched the last game between these sides a full 16 years ago. That game itself – which Scotland won thanks to an Ally McCoist winner – proved an isolated one. Prior to it, the most recent clash had been during the final Home International Championship group matches in 1983, and which Northern Ireland won 2-0. Indeed, the memory of that gilded campaign helped sustain the Northern Irish fans during those not-so-distant days when they fell to 124 in the Fifa rankings. Northern Ireland topped the final group, and thus are the official reigning British champions.

It is perhaps understandable if Northern Irish supporters reserve some contempt for Scotland, since the Scots colluded with England when delivering the last rites to the competition. Some of this lingering distaste was evident last night. "You're just a small part of England," sang their impressively vocal fans. There later came the perhaps more wounding "Are you England in disguise?" as Scotland struggled to break down their doughty opponents. "Are you Rangers in disguise?" was the predictable response from the Tartan Army.

Away from such tribal point-scoring the game itself proved no advert for the forthcoming Celtic Cup extravaganza, pencilled-in to start in 2010. Perhaps a certain cageyness was expected. Although the names and faces are familiar, the context was not. In the last quarter of a century Scotland have played more international football against the likes of Iceland and Lithuania than Northern Ireland. Even San Marino have been faced four times during this period, while the Faroe Isles have earned the right to be billed as the Real Auld Enemy, with Scotland having lined up against them on eight occasions since 1995.

This, then, was relatively virgin territory. Indeed, some of those on the pitch – David Weir and Stephen Craigan not among them – were not born when Scotland last faced Northern Ireland in a competitive match. It was the novelty factor which perhaps persuaded so many away fans to make the journey across the Irish sea on a Wednesday evening in August. Either that, or they were hoping to escape a deluge. If the latter reason was a prime motivation for their voyage then disappointment lay in store, since Scotland has been as rain-lashed. But by the time Ronnie Brown, who turned 71 yesterday, had done his Flower of Scotland turn, the skies had cleared.

The request to respect the anthem of Northern Ireland was not universally heeded, but there was not the wall of booing some feared. In truth, there was simply not the weight of numbers required to summon up a sustained volume of noise, although Ryan McGivern's red card helped ignite an atmosphere hitherto provided almost solely by the away fans, as did Scotland sub goalkeeper Allan McGregor's later penalty save from David Healy.











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  • Last Updated: 20 August 2008 11:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 00:14:50
#1

"I think I'd fit in pretty well on Gillette soccer Saturday"

The only qualifications needed are....

To talk shoite and have a face like a bag of spanners...

Your perfect fur the job!
2

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 00:36:30
Don't take it personally #1. Some people are beyond help and paulmac is one of those.
This article is worse than ever!
The headline says the game was boring but that doesn't mean you don't actually report on the game.
Ok it was boring, but I want to know how it was boring, in which way?
What particular players played in a boring fashion or whatever.
Man, if this is the way ahead....overall the game was boring so I won't bother reporting on any aspects of it....hmmm, sounds like easy money for the journos.
For a change.
The NI fans are funny.
But they know their place in the scheme of things. They don't slag the Scottish off too much.
Without us, they'd have nothing to do at the weekend.
Or mid-week.
Or full-stop really.
3

paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 00:42:51
#3

Welcome aboard Mrs. Pundit!

Has he gone to bed again and left you to man the fort and post shoite on his behalf?
4

paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 00:47:01
#4

A guy at the Scotsman did say they had offered you the night Janitors job.....
5

paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 01:14:28
#8

Is that the position under Minty's desk?

Don't blame you!
6

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 21/08/2008 05:46:11
Without reading the online Daily Record comic to confirm this don't they publish same news day after day. Is this to give more time to their readers to understand what has been written.
7

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 21/08/2008 07:38:21
First time I've ever seen a match report and not a mention of the game until the last sentence! To be fair, the un-named journo who wrote this piece had a deadline to meet and he also had to produce, let's see... yep there are at least 3 other "articles" in the sidebar on the same game so it must be hard for him to write something different. He probably also had to get off to bed early as it is a school day tomorrow. Next week this young man will be reporting on the crowd at the East Stirlingshire match... he'll probably give them all a name-check.
8

Who?,

21/08/2008 09:02:22
This article smacks of Alan Patillo- poorly written and full of self importance.

I'm one of these people who would like the return of the Home Internationals or as its now being called- the Celtic Cup. The only thing i disagree with is the format of the competition. Instead of playing the games months apart would it not be better to have a condenced tournament?

Play the 3 games in seven days- Saturday/ Wednesday/ Saturday in a format similar to the 6 nations rugby. That way the tournament will keep the publics attention, its over quickly and the eventual winners will actually feel like they have achieved something.
9

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 09:17:46
#14 That's a good idea. Playing the games so far apart means it doesn't feel like a cup competition really.
Would be good to see Scotland v England, especially the way they're playing.
Good to see Capello is as good as McLare and Eriksson before him.
Same old stuff.
Wee Joe Cole saved him from a massacring with that equaliser but |I bet the papers here still rip him to bits!
Bring it on,ho ho. I do like living in England sometimes.
10

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 21/08/2008 10:02:54
Happy never to see N.Ireland or their supporters in Scotland again period!
11

PTR,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 10:10:16
What a clown whoever wrote this article is. A halfway intelligent writer (or maybe just one who had the gumption to enquire of a passing NI fan) would have realised the "Thank you Sir David – our culture is not a crime" banner referred to David Healy and his riposte to the Celtic bigots hurling sectarian abuse his way.

Oh and #16 'Celtic Bhoy' - given the team you support, surely even you must see the irony in wanting Irish visitors banned from Scotland?
12

Gerry M,

21/08/2008 10:30:27
"Thank you Sir DAvid- our culture is not a crime"
PMSL!

It´s only Barbarians who think they are not Barbarians.
13

RANGERS LOYALIST,

gb 21/08/2008 10:50:02
#18 Answered your own dig there ya muppet.
14

wayne bijlyeerheid,

21/08/2008 11:13:41
#17
The celtc-minded don't do irony otherwise they'd see the funny side of an Irishman living in England telling Irish supporters they're not welcome in Scotland.
It goes to show that they only include those of "the one true faith" as Irish.
15

Dons Jimmy,

21/08/2008 11:28:43
went to the game last night - northern irish fans were a disgrace. No wonder we don't play them very often, the atmosphere was pretty poisonous. It really was like some kind of bigoted love-in with their rangers cousins. The full repertoire was being sung... dambusters, 'the bouncy', god save our queen etc etc etc.

Am intrigued to know what they mean by 'our culture' - to me, they were more English than most english people. Nothing particularly 'northern irish' about any of them. That's why i had to laugh when they were going on about us being 'english'.
16

paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 13:12:57
20

Irony indeed......

The same irony that had us watch Rearangers fans singing "god save the queen" and waving Union flags....whilst trying to kick to death a member of her majesty's Manchester police service...
17

paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 13:15:48
17

So you agree the Northern Irish are not British!
18

PTR,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 14:06:50
#23

They're British citizens from the island of Ireland. Surely not that hard to get your head around, even for you.
19

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 15:11:59
So the dims are having a go against Northern Ireland now.
This mob really are the most bigoted, sectarian lot of them all.
#21 Mr racist Sheep Dons Jimmy calls it a love-in. Object to Rangers players in the Scotland team do you?
You obviously object to Northern Ireland singing God Save The Queen...Jimmy, it's their National Anthem. Why object to a country's National Anthem? Can you not see that this points you out as a bigot?
Why do you object to their National anthem?
Please, one reason.
#16 celtic bhoy, shall we bar all the celtic fans from Northern Ireland then as well?
Or are they different? Sad state of affairs, but not un-expected.
The celtic fans can't help themselves....they can't hide their hatred of our brothers and sisters from Northern Ireland.
Hopefully anyone reading this doesn't think that the people of Scotland are anti-Irish.
We're not, the majority love you.
The minority would like to see you all dead. Luckily, the majority prevailed.
The IRA surrendered and the good people won.
A draw lat night was a fair result and I hope to be there when Scotland go over to Windsor Park for the re-match.
God Save The Queen
20

Who?,

21/08/2008 15:19:38
#21- at the beginning of the NI national anthem why was there booing from the home fans? It only lasted a few seconds but it was very audiable and very poor and showed up those that attended.

Would it not be better to respect your opponents national anthem rather than resorting to stupid behaviour?
21

RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 16:02:51
The maddest part of it is that I bet you any money that the majority of the Scotland fans had stood for that National anthem at some point of their lives.
Any money. Booing it was petty in the extreme and the "Tartan Army" want to take a look at themselves.
Would they have booed any other national anthem?
I bet you again they would pride themselves on never doing it.
So why do against Northern Ireland, acountry which should be at the bottom of the list of who not to boo?
Whoever is the general of the Tartan Army should be investigating to establish when his "organisation" became bigoted and racist.
And don't say you're not. We all heard the booing.
HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME!!

 

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