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West Ham wanted to sign me, says Obua



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Published Date: 08 August 2008
By Angus Wright
HEARTS midfielder David Obua claims West Ham United were keen to sign him before he followed Csaba Laszlo to Tynecastle.
The Ugandan secured a work permit allowing him to move to Scotland yesterday, and he revealed working with his former national team coach at club level was precisely the challenge he was looking for.

However Obua, 24, who is recovering from a rib
injury, admits his career could have followed a different path if Laszlo was not lured to Edinburgh by Hearts last month.

"It is always the manager's influence which has a bearing on a player and I have worked with Csaba for the past two years with Uganda," said Obua. "He is the person who has really made me who I am today. West Ham United and Chievo were interested in signing me, but Csaba is the reason I decided to come to Hearts."

Obua signed for Hearts after a spell in South Africa with Kaizer Chiefs, and like the rest of his new team-mates, he is determined to ensure the club improve on last season's lowly eighth-placed finish in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League.

"We have to be realistic with our targets, but I am looking forward to getting back into training, working hard as a team and getting Hearts into the Uefa Cup and winning trophies again," he said.





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  • Last Updated: 07 August 2008 10:31 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Ex-Pat Stanton,

Melbourne 08/08/2008 03:44:57
Oh, dear. It would appear I'm the first to comment. Not that that really should make any difference... However I will keep it short.

West Ham wanted to sign me says Obua...

'No they didny, or you would have signed for them'

says everyone with the faintest idea of the implications of him turning down the EPL for the SPL...

Seriously though, he must have been sold on the promise of Euro fitba, or again Vlad has taken a very costly gamble...
'He's the South African league's best player' I'm sure you'll say. Have you ever seen South african fitba? It's gash...
'He's scored loads for Uganda' I'm also sure you'll say. Against whom exactely?
I watched Archie Thonpson play for Australia last night at the olympics he scored 13 goals in a game once. He must be brilliant then. except he's no...

I'm only saying it's a very costly gamble if it's true...
2

Ex-Pat Stanton,

Melbourne 08/08/2008 03:47:31
Sorry read that back after posting(d'oh) It sounds a lot more harsh than i meant it to.

You never know he may be a great signing, and i didn't mean to imply he wont be...

We'll all find out soon enough.
3

bring them on,

08/08/2008 04:54:37
The challenge I was looking for....

Yes, you have joined the Heart Breakers
4

ozdon,

08/08/2008 05:35:12
This chap can't be serious, who with any idea of what is up and what is down would turn down the money West Ham were offering to go to Hearts??
5

bring them on,

08/08/2008 06:15:25
I like Hearts, and their cheery fans.

Just when are they going to play football again?

It's mare fun to take the pi#s when they have other than a team of duffers on the park.

Mind you, the ball boys are getting fit. All they balls to pick oot of the back of the net.
6

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 06:30:41

#1

damn!!!!should have went for Clayton!!!!!

7

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 06:38:37

As for this story, not really new news is it?

He has signed for us, might be good, might be great, might never play due to injury, who knows?

It is a positive move which, along with all of the recent goings on, is a good sign for the coming season. Now if we could only find a striker.....


Oh, and BTO, your season is already over, did you enjoy it?


Mon the Kaunas, mon the reserves.

8

Anecdotal,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 07:24:18
The Scotsman does it again i.e. it lets OF fans comment on a non-OF article but doesn't allow comment on the Burke or Hately articles!

Double standards.
9

Tynietiger,

08/08/2008 07:27:37
Scotsman like Rangers are British Nationalists.

Worth watching BBC2 programme on Sunday night on Gold Medal Winner John Akii-Bua who is David Obua's uncle.
10

bring them on,

08/08/2008 07:29:03
#7

Let's have the same conversation at the end of the season.
11

smithy1874,

08/08/2008 07:41:37
BTO. Bit of a cheek still trying to slag off hearts considering how woeful your team is this year. Think you'll struggle to finish top 3 this year to be honest but im sure you wont agree.
12

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 07:41:42

#10

why?

will you be supporting someone more successful by then?

try Celtic, they'll get some silverware for you to gloat over.

13

smithy1874,

08/08/2008 07:43:42
Why do people find it so hard to beleive he picked hearts over west ham? Why would he want to warm the bench rather than play 1st team football?
14

smithy1874,

08/08/2008 07:44:04
Why do people find it so hard to beleive he picked hearts over west ham? Why would he want to warm the bench rather than play 1st team football?
15

Nell,

Far from the Struan 08/08/2008 07:47:11
No. 5 Bring Them On:- "I like Hearts, and their cheery fans.
Just when are they going to play football again?"

Ha ha, you really ought to look at your own team first.
16

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 07:54:40
#8 Anecdotal. It's not double standards it's time saving. Every OF article gets closed because the level of hatred and bigotry between the extremes of the OF fans purs out on threads, sickening non extremists and the bile means all comments get removed and thread closed. Why start a thread when you know that's where it's going and the usual OF suspects are to blame.

Take it out on them not the Scotsman.
17

Jambo-ree,

08/08/2008 08:15:46
They must have swept this article off the cutting room floor. Published date = 8th August Quote "The Ugandan secured a work permit allowing him to move to Scotland yesterday" Unquote.

Errrrm wasn't it the day before yesterday he got the work permit OK?

Well, wonder what spurious tangentential nonsense Riley will attempt to drag the thread off in today. Obviously he's realised he's lost the argument on footie. He's an aggravating wee runt but really is best ignored.

BLANK THE PLANK - it'll only work if we all do it and stick to it.
18

busbyfh,

08/08/2008 08:23:07
# 2


OOOHHH that's not right being like that - After all did you not refer to me as.......... harsh,poisonous,severe,inexorable,brutal,scathing and ruthless. (mind you with Rangers that IS true)
Give yourself a good talking to .....and at the same time give me a reason WHY WYATT EARP DIED A QUARTER OF A CENTURY AFTER FFFHIBS LAST WON THE SCOTTISH CUP.
19

busbyfh,

08/08/2008 08:30:00
Positive note : When (since Vlad came here) has a manager been allowed to search for and sign his own man as assistant manager ? Don't tell me that Vlad is actually sticking by his word (for the moment) to give the manager autonomy for the first time , because mark my words Burley had very little (he received many phone calls from VR DURING matches with "suggestions")

Getting Werner (does he not have brothers ?) is a subtle but decent step forward.
Is the game nearly sold out yet ?
20

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 08:40:58
#19 On that note talking about managers being allowed to do what they want, did anyone read the Scotsman story about Rangers?

BTO please pay attention here.

"''In apportioning culpability for what unquestionably eclipses any previous European failures suffered by Rangers, few of those currently involved with the club can be regarded as blameless. Bain, handed a considerable degree of autonomy by chairman Sir David Murray in handling the club's player recruitment, cannot reflect with any satisfaction on the outcome of his transfer business so far this summer."

The part in this which says Bain buys the players and has been given considerable autonomy "Bain, handed a considerable degree of autonomy by chairman Sir David Murray in handling the club's player recruitment"

Now correct me if Iam wrong guys but if this was the situation at Hearts would it not be splashed all over the papers. Headlines like "Csaba does NOT have full control" "Vlad still interfering" "Vlad buys the players" but its Rangers so it just recieves a normal paragraph written as if this is the normal thing, but its exactly what Vlad has done in the past

Double standards or what guys?

BTO care to comment on the FACT WS clearly does NOT have full autonomy, and Bain (Who last time i checked was never a manager) buys your players and is responsible for player recruitment.
21

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 08:52:02

Oh how the mighty are falling.

Please stop as i don't think my sides can stand much more of this.

Mon the reserves!!

22

Talk o' the Toun,

08/08/2008 08:52:53
All the posturing is at an end....as enjoyable as the close season has been. ie A combination of 'SIGNS' that our torture may be coming to an end combined with the penny drops with Hibs posters that they might'own the capital' but they own very few quality players;hence changing from laughing(with justification) at Hearts to revolting against their own board/manager/players.The penny drops with the current buns that Uncle Wattie/several of their players are passed their sell by date/season already a financial disaster. )....the acid test is here on Saturday.

as always the Hearts Hearts Glorious Hearts.

#19 Busbomb: i'm told at the moment looks like it will not be a sell out
23

Glorious Hearts,

08/08/2008 08:54:03
#20 thanks GF you saved me a lengthy post there!
Couldn't agree more.
24

Finbar in the Sun,

Johannesburg,SA 08/08/2008 09:00:27
#20-Exactly,however it's SDM and his succulent lamb you are talking about.So VOILA double standards.I've always thought,however I'm PARANOID,that the focus on Romanov deflect nicely from SDM's financial matters.

I'll be asking while i'm over here(as you do)about Obua and his time with The Chiefs.

Shaun Bartlett,an acquaintance,is playing out here now,so i'll get a good report.

Hope he is good as i want to see a strong Hearts side and not just because of the 'cheery' welcome at Tynecastle when the Hoops visit!!!Great ground and atmosphere and I genuinely do hope this new stand happens and adds to the occassion.

Hail,Hail and God Bless Kaunas.

25

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 09:06:09
#22

Spot on The times are a changing, although there is still the odd Hobo who has his head well and truely buried in the sand, We all told them months ago before the season had even ended how bad Mixu is, How Petrie and Farmer are ripping them off, how they are beng fed lies by a manipulative boad "Buy your season tickets now, new stand will start work in January" even though they DO NOT have financing in place and have not even decided what they want to build (Single or double tier stickle brick stand) for some as you say "The penny has dropped" and we don't mean from Petries pockets, there double lined and padlocked.

Hibs will struggle this year, of that I have no doubt, while Hearts will only get stronger, The difference already since Csaba has came in is massive, the whole place is alive again, players attitudes have changed considerably (Which was one of the main problems before) they look fitter this pre-season than they did at any time throughout the whole of last season.

IF Vlad is doing as he says and is going to stick to it then things will only improve more. Csaba so far has been allowed to bring in Obua and also his own assistant, this signals he is being given the full autonomy as promised.
26

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 09:10:22
#24

It's easier and better for the media to concentrate on Vlad, they have turned him into a "Hate figure" within Scottish football, Granted he maybe doesn't help himself at times with some of his comments and his contempt for the media. But the media know if they concentrate on Vlad it hides the problems Rangers have (And would hide any Celtic had as well if it was them)

After all these media outlets are hardly going to bite the hand that feeds them are they.
27

Who?,

08/08/2008 09:16:43
#20- superb post.

In scotland over the years very few managers have had total automony in player recruitment.

At hibs it was petrie not the manager who signed latapy and sauzee. Monkey was the only hibs manager of recent times to have the final say on which players put pen to paper, even then it was only after he could prove to petrie that the players in question could be sold on for a profit.

At aberdeen it was Milne who did the transfer dealings until Miller returned to the club. While Calderwood identified the targets its miller and/ or milne who have the final say.

Ever since Murray bought rangers he was the main driver behind player recruitment. He personally signed laudrup and gazza not to mention various others from Seria A during Smith's last stint in charge.

Fergus McCan (probably the greatest celt of the modern age) was in charge of player recruitment and sales. Since he's left dermot desmond has taken over- who do you really think signed and financed Roy Keane?
28

Finbar in the Sun,

Johannessburg,SA 08/08/2008 09:20:21
#24-Standard.

Romanov doesn't help himself for sure however he is a colourful character and his issues with Davis the linesman just like Levein's about the holier than thou 'Reverend' were right and had to be said.

In the case of SDM and his chosen few in the media for sure he certainly feeds them and they print copy verbatum without question.

More folk need to realise 'don't believe the hype'.

If Celtic were in the trouble Rangers are in the media would barely mention Romanov,though i'm sure he'd be giving more interviews like Tuesday to change that somewhat!!!

Did you hear his chat on Radio Scotland???That man pulls no punches and talks some sense.It's refreshing.

29

LionheartFodithman,

08/08/2008 09:23:54
#20 GF
Good stuff GF.
Fundamental error though,in some "we ar ra peoples" eyes,it is just not true.You are scaremongering,making up your own quotes.

They wont believe you GF because they "bury their Heids in the sand".

Mickey Moose cup the CL you know.
30

troonjambo,

Troonofcourse 08/08/2008 09:24:34
Well, well, well! What a surprise - not only can we not comment on Old Infirm articles, now we can't comment on Gordon Smith/SFA articles...... or is a Gordon Smith or anti-Romanov article just really the same thing anyway?
Comments on a postcard please if the Scotsman allow them!
31

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 09:26:18
#27

Totally agree with all that, and its not like it is hidden information either, none of that are secrets, we all know club owners/directors who have bought players or had influences over managers about who to sign and not sign, we all know many of the players owners/directors have purchased, you name a few, there have been many more.

The media etc go to great lengths to tell everyone how bad Vlad is how his buying of players has destroyed Hearts etc etc. In reality he has done nothing different from any other Owner. Where they do have a pop quite rightly was his interference in team selection, but just how bad ws it really, Frail said he was never told who to pick or drop, he did say Vlad wanted to know the team who was playing etc, and why he thought those players should play, is that a bad thing? If i was putting millions into a business i would want to know how my money is being used, and why decisions are being made.
32

Steve_HMFC,

08/08/2008 09:28:34
FAO BTO
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=15274/match=303510/report=rp.html

FAO EPS
http://www.darkdreamstealer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/countup.swf
33

Steve_HMFC,

08/08/2008 09:30:20
haha has everyone seen this?

One Kenny Miller lol!

GIRUY BTO

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2008/08/08/exclusive-rangers-hitman-kenny-miller-could-land-celtic-300k-bonus-if-old-club-derby-go-up-86908-20688771/
34

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 08/08/2008 09:31:18
I don't know what Obua is being paid and I don't know what West Ham would have paid but I don't think it would be much difference. If West Ham were paying a lot more he would have signed, I have no doubt. He also may feel he can make a bigger impact in Scotland with CL to coach him to better things. He knows CL well.

35

bring them on,

08/08/2008 09:32:40
#33

I support a big team.
36

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 09:34:55
#28

Have said for a while Vlad brings a bit of excitement to a dull league. My only gripe I've ever had with Vlad was his meddling too much. Business wise cannot fault him. As for his comments he shoots from the hip and speaks with a large degree of openness about Scottish Football, The SFA etc are not used to club owners in Scotland speaking out against them, Owners in this country have been to scared for too long about the consequences. I had hoped the Levein situation would go further, Levein was prepared to go to court against the SFA when he was at Hearts, it was only the pie man who talked him out of it. That would have been a perfect oppertunity for Vlad to have got on the phone to ET (Eddie Thompson Not the alien)to say to him "Lets stick "Together" on this" and to have taken it all the way.
37

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 09:36:40
#35 BTO

Care to answer my questions from post #20 since you "Support a big team"

"BTO care to comment on the FACT WS clearly does NOT have full autonomy, and Bain (Who last time i checked was never a manager) buys your players and is responsible for player recruitment."
38

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 08/08/2008 09:36:47
34*

There is every chance he will be a Hearts regular and at West Ham he would be a squad player.
39

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 09:37:21
#28

Rangers are going to struggle badly unless drastic action is taken... they need to sign at least 6 players to challenge for the league.

Where are they going to get the money to do that though?... try and bid £i million less than Wolves for a SPL defender again?

Something is badly wrong at Ibrox I think and their little poodles in the press are sitting on it in an attempt to help out.

I have yet to see an 'Ibrox in Turmoil' headline or a broken Rangers crest... Why is this do you think? Is everything rosey after all?... Personaly my guess is no.

How badly would the circulation of the Daily Record be effected if they were to lay into rangers the way they do hearts and to a lesser extent celtic?

Rangers can't even sell Gums to bring in the cash as that would leave them with Webster (next stop the Glue factory) and Dailly and Weir who have a combined age greater than that of the Galapagos Island's entire Giant tortoise population... Don't even get me started on their midfield either, Hearts reject Pilly-biter torn them to peices in the absence of Basketball Barry... how much did petrie squeeze out of them for Thompson again?

I am desperate to see that smug little creep bain squirming and stuttering in the face of the famous Rangers' head hunt.

The fact is despite all the criticism aimed at Vlad Rangers have won One Scottish Cup and one Disney Cup in the time that vlad has been in Scotland, they have finished 2nd twice and 3rd once... in the same period hearts have won one Scottish Cup, finished 2nd once.

Sure rangers have won one more cup than us but it was the Disney Cup and despite doing it twice they have only managed to match our highest place finish in the same period... second, this is acceptable for a club of Hearts' size... is this really acceptable for a club of rangers' supposed size?... I think not.
40

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 09:43:27

#35

Big Team - Yes

Bigotted Fans - Yes

Bad Team - Yes

Old Team - Yes

Soon to be sold off Team - Yes

Oot the cup Team - Yes

Beat by our reserves Team - Yes

will i keep going?



41

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 08/08/2008 09:44:02
37*
Is there any chance Walter Smith gives Bain a list of players and Bain takes the cheapest option of who he signs. Unless of course Bain thought Laverty was worth the money and Smith didn't want him and that is why he was on bench against our reserves
42

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 09:49:13

I think that we are seeing the culmination of a policy of buying the best that the other SPL teams generate as a means of restricting their progress while not really improving the Rangers squad.

In keeping the 'gulf' between them and the rest of us we are seeing how gullible some of the younger players in the SPL are. You are not moving to Rangers to further your career but to warm the benches instead of showing your talents week in week out for a 'lesser' team.

43

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 08/08/2008 09:53:03
I think the old firm fans and Glasgow media are so concentrated on seeing the the short comings of others i.e Romanov they are so blind to the Old Firm shortcomings.

44

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 09:53:41
#41

I think there could be a degree of truth in that. Bain has probably been put in place to make sure WS does not overspend, It has been rumoured and reported for some time now that SDM is not as financially secure as he once was. The money Rangers have spent this pre-season was based mainly on them qualifying for the CL, the ripple effect from them being dumped out will be seen come January and next season.

It is known FACT and has never been hidden SDM has been trying to offload Rangers for some time, but with debts rumoured to be some 100million+ NO-ONE and NO business will touch them at present, not with the credit crunch and possible reccession on the way. The banks are refusing to lend them money for the proposed Ibrox development and Murray cannot find outside investment. Not that they might ever get to build on the site, as was mentioned yesterday, the area around Ibrox where Murray wanted to build was industrial area and much of the land is contaminated, (Thats not before mentioning the contamination from the fans)

Rangers are in trouble, the fans dont want to believe this, they are petrified to even contemplate such scenarios.
45

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 09:55:28
#42

Crazy eh?... Surely they must look and see the likes of Boyd and Riordan and think 'oh hang on a minute'.

The money down south and the determination of Vlad has ensured however that for every Webster or Killen there is a Bednar, Gordon etc furthering their careers elswhere.

5 years ago these guys would prob be sold for less than 1mil to rangers and Celtic or they would leave for naff all.
46

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 08/08/2008 09:59:07
42*

Yes you are right and if they don't win immediate recognition they will be destined to the reserves and their careers put on hold and less chance to improve. Then they get desperate for first team football again and hope for a move but highly unlikely to a Scottish team.
47

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 08/08/2008 10:01:30
44*

Thanks for that. Am I right Murray is an Edinburgh man Murray metals.
48

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 10:01:47

Young players must realise that the Olf Firm are nothing more than larger minnows in a pond of minnows when compared to the EPL.

If a young player is good enough then the big fish will spot their talent without ever having to do a spot of bench-warming.

Fletcher is a good example, he has been spotted because he plays week in week out.
49

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 10:05:49
#48

Could be a lot of the time the take the easy option for the money, some maybe do not have the confidence in their own ability to go down south. So think if they move to the OF for more money they may eventually get a chance, problem is, usually by the time they do get a chance they have rotted so long and have so many splinters from the subs bench a lot of the talent they possessed has disapeared.
50

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:08:31
#49

Webbo must have so many splinters by now that he is actually 50% hardwood...
51

Steve_HMFC,

08/08/2008 10:11:05
#35

If we are not a 'big team' how comes you are always on our threads?

Nae Job?

Nae Burd?

Nae Life?

BTW is the big team you refer to Kaunas?
52

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 10:11:57
#50

Ive got a wee sneaky feeling were going to hear somethng from Hearts today. Another good bit of news. :-)
53

LionheartFodithman,

08/08/2008 10:16:25
#52 GF
OI....Share....Together...;-)
54

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:16:35
#52

Little ambiguous that... Whetted my appetite though. Am i getting a little bit too leeds UTD in thinking that we have may have a striker coming in?

As good as that would be i would be equally pleased if it was us winning an appeal over Webster's treachery... Hit the Rangers moneymen where it hurts and all that!

... I can but dream... ;o)
55

paulmac,

surrey 08/08/2008 10:19:54
33....Steve

The Kenny Miller £300k story is an absolute hoot....

Well done Peter.....another superb stroke of business!

We can all imagine the Rearrangers fans spittin their corn flakes oot this morning on the thought their purchase of Kenny Miller could earn us even more cash....

Mwahahahahahah....
56

Sláine,

08/08/2008 10:23:37
#16, 22, 25, and all the rest who believe in the mythical 'OF'...

...1. There is no OF - There is 3IARSTB4 SPL Champions and well known CL regulars Celtic, and then there is plucky cash strapped, permanently raging and perennially second best Rioters FC aka Scotland's Shame...

...2. Celtic further improve the image of scottish football every year, with clubs and supporters in Europe, (and further afield), looking forward to and welcoming the world renowned ambassadors of Scottish football as they become more and more of a permanent fixture in the world's premier club competition with each passing year...

...3. Rioters FC tarnish the selfsame reputation and bring misery, violence, ridicule and embarrassment every year to the continent, (well, obviously not every year), and to their own home city, (Liverpool fan stabbed in the neck after 4-0 humiliation), to the consternation of the ONLY true minority at RFC, (the decent fans). Fans who hide their faces in their hands in exasperation at whatever latest negative publicity the rest of the knuckledragging 'peeepul' saddle the long suffering, cash strapped and crisis hit club from Govan with...

...4. Your comments demonstrate the eagerness, nay desperation to blame the ills of Scottish football on a perceived 'axis of evil' called the OF, whilst absolving all others of blame.
Hearts - Laughing stock wannabes with a mad dictator at the helm, (whose stock is sinking faster than his pink submarine), and fans happy to hang on his every word, desperately believing his empty promises.
Hibs - At least trying to play entertaining football whilst securing their club's solvency, just needs to break open the biscuit tin after welding it firmly shut a number of years ago. At least the fans have some bottle about them to challenge the club about their concerns.
Motherwell, Dundee United and Aberdeen utilising limited financial resources and acheiving good results lately due to genuine managerial talent, sadly, realistic
57

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:23:39
"Who comes in or out is up to other people, but I think we have got a great squad."

Chris Burke. The Scotsman, 08.08.08.

(Truly a man who's own name sums him up nicely)
58

Sláine,

08/08/2008 10:24:24
sadly, realistically not much more than pretenders to the throne, as evidenced by the Levein scandal...

...5. The rest...

...So, while I would welcome being able to make comment and stimulate debate on threads concerning my club or their closest rivals, even the moderators of these message boards realise the futility of opening the 'other' threads to comment at this time. History has shown us that instead of having the courage and moral fortitude to face the harsh reality of the situation at hand, the majority of the follow followers prefer to attack, smash, burn and make the world a much more unpleasant place to be...

...thankfully there is light in the darkness, it is a faintly flickering torch of belief, decency and hope borne by the 'good guys' represented by daillyman, fayneant, bring them on and a few long suffering others...

...see what they have to put up with and cheer them on in their quest, for it is a gargantuan task;

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ioVkARO7o - (scarily enought this guy was called a timmy by the follow follow punters)

'why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother's eye, yet considerest not the beam in thine own?'.......
59

Jambo-ree,

08/08/2008 10:26:49
#35 You support a much diminished big team
60

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 10:29:03
#53 #54 LF & Moth

Just a little sneaky feeling I have, ;-)
61

LionheartFodithman,

08/08/2008 10:35:21
#60 GF
"I needs to know".
I am leaving for the game shortly and need to know what you know NOW !!!!!!!!
62

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:35:42
#56

My my... Aren't we a little up ourselves today, I am sure that the rest of the champions League are quaking in their boots at the thought of facing Caldwell, Sno and co.

I bet Messi is sitting down right now in the managers office saying 'How are we supposed to counter zee awesome world renowned abassadors of Scottish football'.

Meanwhile celtic have John Reid as a director, a man who was instrumental in the name of our country being tarnished by our involvment in illegal wars.

Celtic have very little to be smug about but I am honest enough to admit that you are light years ahead of rangers just now.

The CL look upon you as cannon fodder and just there to make up the numbers.

63

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 10:36:53
Any West Ham fans want to take umbrage at their thread being hijacked by OF fans?
64

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 10:36:57
#56 Bring that head up out the sand for some fresh air before you suffocate....on second thoughts keep it in there...

"Hibs - At least trying to play entertaining football"

Hibs havent played entertaining hoofball since Monkey Heid was in charge...More Hobo Myth.

"At least the fans have some bottle about them to challenge the club about their concerns."

What exactly are the fans doing? protests? demonstrations? boycotts? (Although they would be ineffective wouldnt they? to have a boycott with impace you have to have the fans to make the difference noticeable) Placards and banners at the games?

Face FACTS hibs are going backwards Hearts are going forward...as much as that might pain you to see, it is FACT...we are in a better position now than we were 6 mnths ago, hibs are in a worse position...And there are many hibs fans on here that have and can admit to that...only the thick blinkered retards that dont want to see it like yourself are still bumping their gums making fools of yourselves.

When did hibs last win a game?
65

Glorious Hearts,

08/08/2008 10:37:09
#56 & 58
There IS an old firm. They got the name through acting together in self interest against the rest of the country.
This was proven by your recent 5% tickets thing- as ever the OF work together for the benefit of themselves and screw everyone else.

To say there is no OF is just wrong.

There is an OF and you are part of it, like it or not.
66

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 10:39:27

jeeeez, for once the shame of scotland fans are quiet and things can progress semi-normally on here then,

up pops a troll from the other side of the ugly sisters.

please bog off back to your bog.

67

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 10:40:38
#56 Apologies there, i thought you were someone else A hobo.

However, as #62 points out, Im sure the whole of Europe are panicking at the thought of playing the largest of the minnows from Scotland.

Still giving to "the cause" are you? just the other half of Scotlands shame you lot.
68

busbyfh,

08/08/2008 10:41:00
# 20 Finest

Example - who signed Basil Bole - Murray - HE SAID SO.

Who signed Andy Webster - Murray - After all Rangers tried to sign him when McLeish was in charge , then Le Guen tried to ....Smith eventually got Webster to actually sign.
Was it too much of a a coincidence that ALL 3 managers wanted him OR WAS IT MURRAY ?
Answer on a postcard to Webstergate , PO Box Fiddlers Lane , Weegieland
69

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 10:42:12
66 do I detect a racial stereotype in your post? surely not! all you whiter than white Embra fans are paragons of virtue....aye right!
70

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 10:43:41

are you associating trolls with a country.

if so, which one?

would appreciate being enlightened on this one.

71

4-0 Oops! Hartley Hat-trick,

08/08/2008 10:46:08
still no plumt1t ?

another copy and paste job re. obua, third rate journalism once again....

sports reporter angus wright - be original, go out and DO SOMETHING !
72

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 10:46:19
70 Iceland (naw no the shoap) has a minister for Trolls Look it up if you dont believe me...See we can be fun AND educational at the same time...BTW was referring to the bog/Dublin slight,but then you knew that,didnt you?
73

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 10:47:32

ooooh, detecting a touch of paranoia (sp) in your post.

74

busbyfh,

08/08/2008 10:48:18
# 39

A number of years ago the daily rioter had a go at Rangers about a reason I totally forget (some sort of expose).
Murray banned all communication to that paper and banned their journalist from entry to ibrox.
The rioter appologised months later and have been Rangers slithering lap dog ever since.
75

Jamboy,,

08/08/2008 10:48:46
#58

"History has shown us that instead of having the courage and moral fortitude to face the harsh reality of the situation at hand, the majority of the follow followers prefer to attack, smash, burn and make the world a much more unpleasant place to be..."

Shall we ask the victims of suicide bombers and the civilians caught in the crossfire in Iraq if they feel that John Reid and his cronies have been guilty of a little "smash and burn"...

Typical celtic fan, all hollier than thou but in reality your club has gone from being a noble children's charity to a an organisation who's fans raise money for terrorists and sing songs in support of them while their directors help push through plans to invade other countries on the pretence of fighting a 'War on Terror'.

Typical laughable celtic arrogance with no grasp of reality.
76

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 10:48:53

pehaps i should have called you lot dirty unwashed weegie vermin.

any better?

77

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 10:49:57

or is that racist too?

plank.
78

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 10:50:34
nae bother mate...lol
79

busbyfh,

08/08/2008 10:51:21
I do not know why a load of folk are having a go at Bain of Rangers - after all it cannot be easy juggling two jobs.
Did UEFA not find that he was a kind of "real estate dealer" in more ways than one , a couple of years back ALLEGEDLY.
80

Indy Rep Kid...,

Fed up getting booted off! 08/08/2008 10:52:21
Nothing to say except fed up getting blocked from registering!!
81

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:52:28
#74

I haven't forgoten that expose... it involved a certain Richard gough and his alleged perverted and inapropriate behaviour towards certain people he should not have been messing with... Allegedly.
82

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 10:53:23
Is the festival getting to you already?...Fed up being accosted by Jugglers in the Cowgate?Street Theatre in Princes St?I totally understand...would twist my melon too...
83

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 10:55:43
Must be a pain in the hole when you are having a quiet pint (£5.60 during Happy Hour) and a crowd wearing leg warmers and leotards shout "I know! Lets put the show on,RIGHT HERE!" cue music from "Fame"..nae wonder yer ragin...
84

busbyfh,

08/08/2008 10:56:39
"Aberdeen agree to ticket sales"
is a reasonably interesting article in the FFFHibsman today.
85

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 10:57:21
#80

Why did you get booted? didnt realise you had been.
86

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 10:57:56
#82

Love the festival... largest arts festival in the world and great for our economy... Do you not like it? loads of Irish tourists come over for it.
87

Gorgie's Finest,

08/08/2008 10:59:04
#82

Why do you not support a local team? you know a team from Rep of Ireland?
88

Sláine,

08/08/2008 10:59:47
#62 - "The CL look upon you as cannon fodder and just there to make up the numbers"...

...Really? I think AC Milan, Manchester Utd, Barcelona, Benfica etc. would tend to disagree with you there...

...#65 - So you believe that it's fair for Celtic to administer the sale and distribution of tickets to games at your ground where ALL the proceeds go to your club? Interesting business strategy...

...#66 - "up pops a troll from the other side of the ugly sisters" & "please bog off back to your bog"?...

...admirably tolerant and not at all bigoted or offensive...

...#67 - Doing well until, "Still giving to "the cause" are you? just the other half of Scotlands shame you lot"...

...still, says so much more about you than it does about me. If you knew anything about me at all you would know that I unequivocally condemn any and all terrorist organisations and any form of sympathy for them. Sad attempt, which results only in embarrassment for yourself and your fellow supporters, well done, they must be proud of you.......
89

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 11:00:29
Born in Glasgow...lived there most of my life Been a hoops fan for 40 years..enough for you?
90

Sláine,

08/08/2008 11:01:18
...#65 - So you believe that it's fair for Celtic to administer the sale and distribution of tickets to games at your ground where ALL the proceeds go to your club? Interesting business strategy...

Should have read;

...#65 - So you believe that it's fair for Celtic to administer the sale and distribution of tickets to games at your ground where ALL the proceeds go to your club, at a financial loss to themselves? Interesting business strategy...
91

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 11:01:53
#83

I particularly like when reporting Glasgow or that t**t from Still Game who playes Navid trys to advertise the glasgow alternative to the fringe....

"If you are in the mood for something less sophisticated and world renowned this year then why not pop in to 'Tennants' for a knife-fight and some 'folk songs'... Bitter mate? Aye like the Murphy's
92

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 11:02:20
Gorgie...If you moved to Dublin (Very like Embra..hellish expensive except the people are friendly) would you stop being a Jambo? naw,didnae think so..
93

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 11:02:53

#84

was on the bbc website yesterday, but better late than never.

Wonder what the OF fans think about their clubs effectively taking the levy from them through the increased prices for their fans.

I would prefer to play these games with no away fans, would be safer all round and would still be sell outs

94

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 11:03:00
Jamboy..nice one lol
95

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 11:04:16

swordsman, so you are at least 40 and still act like a child?

sad, very sad indeed.

96

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 11:04:30
#88

"...Really? I think AC Milan, Manchester Utd, Barcelona, Benfica etc. would tend to disagree with you there..."

No i don't think they would disagree at all as they all have a realistic chance of winning it whereas your lot are just there to make up the numbers.
97

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 11:05:29
#94

;o)
98

Down with everything,

08/08/2008 11:05:31

still, would be nice to make up the numbers, let's be honest.

99

Swordsman,

Dublin 08/08/2008 11:05:47
95...what can I do..Im upset and angry..this nappy rash is killing me..
100

Jamboy,,

Edinburgh 08/08/2008 11:08:18
Did we not just recently cut the allocation to the Old firm... strange behaviour from a club who depends on them for survival.

I am not even worried about this ticket thing, just sell the tickets direct from Hearts and take their details and if/when they start their little folk ditties then ban them... Something the Old Firm are reluctant to do it would seem.